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Hi!

I handed over $100 yesterday morning.

 

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I made mine pretty early Friday at 3 and mine says 9515

Mine says 3997 and I reserved on Saturday so the numbers are meaningless to us.

Maybe it is counting down.

 

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@mikedeckhoff @EVlution I guess we can rule out that it's counting down, @IBleve is higher than yours @EVlution. I wonder if the numbers are entirely or partially region specific, that could explain what we're seeing. Where about in the US is everybody from?

I live in Idaho.

 

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I'm in! But I'm only STAYING in if the range extender is the real deal.

How much additional range do you need to stay with the REV? I realize more is better.

 

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Montana HR3552 here reserved on the 13th. I had a VW ID4 reservation and have a Lightning reservation. I just want an inexpensive AWD EV. The Lightning looked like a killer choice at $41,000 before the $7500 credit but those days are long gone with the new pro model pricing starting at almost $58k now. So if the Rev can undercut that price by a significant number I'll maybe get one. I also am waiting on the Equinox EV orders to open because I think that may be good too. Everything needs to be less than a Model Y which is now $55k before the $7500 credit with only a 1 month wait. The ID4 I had on order forever was finally built and delivered but just after they changed the rules on the tax credit so it was a Germany build and not eligible for the $7500 rebate so I refused delivery and got a refund. It was $46k before so would have been OK under $40k. If I let go of the AWD (in Montana a bad idea) then I'll just get a Bolt and and keep the old Subaru for winters. One car would be better than 2 IMO.

Personally that means I like they kept the REV simple. Simple means affordable. It's not like the regular Ram is a bad looking truck like a Tundra or something.

Its possible that in 2-3 years when GM and RAM actually start production, prices for stripped down EV trucks could be in the $40-50k range.

Unfortunately I think that as long as there are tax credits, manufacturers and dealerships will take advantage of that and charge more.

If your primary criteria is price then stripped down ICEs should be cheap and available for years to come.

 

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I actually hate the way the model Y looks but it is proven technology with solid established good resale. Basically anything from Ford or Ram shouldn't cost more unless it has much better range or much better performance or better features which the Ford doesn't at $55k. We will have to see what the Ram has at that price. The 20% price reduction on the model Y sort of changes the whole game. Capitalism for the win!

It will be interesting to see where the CT ends up costing, provided it actually gets manufactured. I am not a fan of the CT but as more EV truck options enter the market prices should come down.

A lot can happen in 2-3 years.

 

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300 mi on electric, plus at least 150 on the ReX. I'd prefer 200 miles worth of ReX because my Ram 1500 has the 32 gallon tank and I like driving 10-ish hours at a time.

What is ReX? Are you thinking the Ram REV is a plug in hybrid? It is pure electric, no ICE, no exhaust.

So you are looking for 500 miles of range? I suppose that may be possible in 2-3 years.

I am an old fart and need a pee stop every 2-3 hours. My R1T has about 350 miles in conserve under the right conditions. So far that has been adequate and as the charging network builds out it will be enough. When I went EV it was not important to me to match the range of an ICE with a big gas tank.

 

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Hi, I made my reservation and spoke with my dealer in Idaho today. I asked them about the reservation process and wondered why the dealer selection when you pay $100 didn’t come up. He assured me as long as I contacted them everything is good.

I wondered why no dealership selection too but then a tiny bit of optimism caused me to think maybe Stellantis will do something different and better than GM and Ford.

 

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I wonder if Ram dealerships will add dealer markup (ADM) like most GM and Ford dealerships? I guess it will depend on the economy and EV truck demand/supply when shipping begins.

IMO ADM should be ADE (added dealer extortion) because dealerships are lobbied legislated third parties that can charge whatever the market will bear while providing very little in return.

Rant over.

 

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ReX is shorthand for Range eXtender in the BMW i3 community. Our i3s has a 2 cylinder gas scooter motor in the back that doesn't drive the wheels but does recharge the battery if you can't get to a DC fast charger. I'm hoping the ReX in the Ram EV will both boost towing capability and extend range significantly for road trips.

I'm only good for about 10 hours at a throw now...used to be 15 but now not so much!

My understanding is that the REV does not have ReX, no ICE engine to recharge it. Just a large battery pack. When electrons are gone you need a charge port, no onboard ICE to the rescue. Another way to say this is that the Rev does not have a gas tank or exhaust pipes. Its pure 100% Electric.

The BMW i3 is a plug in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV)the REV is (BEV)Battery Electric Vehicle.

Are you hoping that Ram will eventually offer a PHEV REV? Anything is possible.

 

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The Rev is supposed to have a range extender option.

Ram Clearly Thinks a Gas Engine Range Extender Will Sell Electric Trucks

The automaker's Super Bowl ad leans in heavily to its electric truck's range extender, which rivals have skipped so far.

www.thedrive.com

Dang, missed that. I did not watch the super bowl. I have not read that in their adds.

If Ram makes the REV as PHEV then I would be out. I am done with ICE.

 

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Yup - that @Hersbird. THAT is what will differentiate the Ram REV from the competition...IF it happens!

Not to panic @EVlution - it would be an option as it was on the i3. You could get those with and without the ReX - depends on what you need. Where I live there is no EV charging for about 40 miles in any direction, so we have one in our i3s but so far we've driven 5100 miles without needing it. We DO use it, especially when it's cold and the battery range falls. For most of the year though, it runs pure EV.

No reason to panic, the REV is a backup plan. Since volume production is a few years off, the charging network should be a bit more robust and range anxiety less of an issue but I can imagine situations where a gas engine generator might be needed until the network is much more built out.

For me personally I don’t need or want ReX and if I did, I am willing to work around it to avoid the use of an ICE. It’s just personal choice after having dealt with and putting up with ICEs for 50+ years.

 

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A bit off topic but I think for the next 3-5 years ICE truck prices will be very favorable, hence an attractive way to go for those needing/wanting a truck now. Passenger truck manufacturers need to balance ICE inventory such to not get stuck with ICEs because of EV truck sales.

 

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NW0546 myself
Want to cancel since the reveal is nowhere near the concept.
So disappointed

As it sinks in more and more I too am disappointed and frustrated. My first glimpse was of the Evolution and that is what led me to make a reservation.

Stellantis marketing really messed up. Seems to be all smoke and mirrors leading one to believe that Stellantis does not yet have the EV technology to make good on their hand waving, fancy renderings and vague promises.

 

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Hey everyone, I’m new here but registered around 3 CT on 2/10 and got IC1278. If someone figures out the relevancy of the assigned numbers would love to have an idea of where I ended up overall.

I was very disheartened by lack of follow through on so many of the revolutionary aspects from the concept. Most notably the built in workstation, transparent roof, projector, track seating, and third row. I also thought the ability to put the seats all the way to the tailgate would come in handy.

I have one of the very first Denali EV reservations as well (got in during first 15 secs), just waiting it out to understand all the specs before putting down the money for either.

My guess is that the Denali EV will be available well before the Ram 1500 Rev. and IMO is the better looking truck.

 

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On Ram's FAQ page it doesn't sound like they are doing anything different unfortunately. It states that as they get closer to production you will receive an email allowing you to choose your dealer and then when it's time to order the dealer will contact you.

Wish Ram would've gone the tesla route and allowed you to just order online and ship directly to you avoiding all the dealer bs.

I totally agree. Unfortunately by law new cars must be sold through dealerships. Thankfully, Tesla and Rivian have found creative ways around them.

My purchasing experience with Rivian was great. No ADM, no double talk, no haggling and best of all was dealing directly with the manufacturer. No third party reaching into my pocket for their legislated “cut”.

 

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FTFY...in my state there's NO dealership requirement, so we purchased our Tesla direct from them. That said, in Illinois the tax laws are such that you take a hit for selling your used car outright, whereas it reduces your tax liability if you trade it in. So yeah, the dealers still get a cut - just a different way here.

A final thought...my Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealer here is GREAT! - One of the few that I let touch any of my cars. Just recently they gave me an option to knock almost $600 of a bill because they noticed something I didn't and they really didn't have to tell me. Rare, I know!

I have been buying vehicles for 50+ yrs and have had my share of good and bad buying and servicing experiences at dealerships. My purchasing experience for my Kia EV6 was great. Unfortunately the dealership fired my salesman for selling me the EV6 for MSRP.

Once I experienced the shift to online ordering my eyes were opened to the reality of dealership vs manufacturer. The knowledge that in most states by law new cars must be sold through a dealership and that final pricing is set by the dealership really soured my opinion. Especially when dealerships tacked on ADM of $5-20k just because they by law could, while not adding anything of value. By definition this is extortion. Give me $5k and I will give you the keys. Dealerships make $thousands selling at MSRP. ADM is extortion.

 

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To be fair to dealers, if they did sell many of the high demand cars at MSRP flippers would just buy them and make the $10,000 markup themselves. Personally I feel a dealer has more right to that money than a flipper. Now if the manufacturer did something to devalue the flip, then they should also do something to discourage the dealer too.

I would rather see the flippers get the money than the dealerships. Flippers are free market and only make a profit if they can sell it for more than they paid for it. Dealers are legislated(not free market) and make thousands$ even at MSRP.

The problem would disappear if the fools paying ADE (Added Dealer Extortion) would stop paying it.

I do think dealerships have some value but we should not be forced to deal through them. Let them compete in a free market way, deregulate them.

 

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I also have always kicked myself for not buying a 1987 Buick GNX at $36,000 even though the MSRP was only $30,000 a 20% ADP. That car would be worth at least $150,000 still today although there is almost a 100% chance I would have sold it after 2-3 years like everything else I have bought.

I am not sure if the state you live has a law that new cars must be sold through a dealership. Most states do have that law. When by law you are forced to buy from a dealership then that is the opposite of free market. The dealership by law does not have to compete against all sources only other dealerships. Take away the “by law” and then it becomes free market.

Dealerships also are notorious for playing games with sticker price and MSRP. Dealerships make lots of money selling you a car at or below MSRP no matter what they tell you.

BTW ADP is not ADM. Added Dealer Prep is for getting the car spruced up for the customer. Added Dealer Markup is when a dealership simply charges you $5-25k over MSRP because fools will pay it. The dealership does not provide anything more for that money. Once the shortage of that particular vehicle ends then you not only have depreciation but you also lose every penny of the ADM you forked over.

With the shortage of ICEs and EVs due to supply chain issues a yr ago, dealerships jumped in and extorted ADM because by law they could. The folks that paid did not buy a future collectors vehicle. Now that ICEs are plentiful those vehicles folks bought 1 yr ago are no longer worth the extra $5-25k they put into the dealers bank account.

With the advent of online ordering, dealers must change. People can see MSRP, can see when and where their car was manufactured, can see when and how it was shipped and when it gets to the dealer. They can order exactly what they want. No more being pressured to buy what’s on the lot. Dealers should carry a lot less inventory and compete using services. The age old hand waving, hocus pocus and BS from dealership salespeople must end.